Monday, April 16, 2007

Daniel Alberto Passarella: A River Plate legend - Pipita

Daniel Passarella surely felt a huge relief after hearing the final whistle of the super-clásico between Boca Juniors and River Plate which decreed yesterday’s one all draw. It had been a traumatic week for the River coach in the build-up to this very significant confrontation, given the recent apathetic performances of his team during the last month. Not only were River eliminated from the Libertadores Cup in the preliminary group during this period, but also his team had dramatically slid from joint first to fourth in the league table.

However, what probably most affected the former captain of the Argentine team that won the 1978 World Cup during that tense week, were the reverberations of the chants sung by practically the entire Monumental stadium during River’s uninspiring 1-1 home draw against Belgrano de Córdoba, which went something like “Passarella you traitor you are a Boca fan”. This cruel chant directed towards a man who scored more than a hundred goals for the club as a defender has its history. At a certain point of Passarella’s hugely successful career at River Plate during the second half of the seventies, he mentioned that as a kid he had actually been a Boca fan, and that paradoxically he had been rejected by this club after failing a trial there as a youngster.

The tremendously unfair chant also blatantly ignored the fact that during his first spell as coach for River during 1990-94 Passarella had not only achieved three league titles for the club but had also been responsible for promoting a series of youth players to the first team who later proved their value at international level, such the cases of Ariel Ortega, Matías Almeyda, Marcelo Gallardo and Hernán Crespo. During this time however, River frequently lost derby matches against Boca and failed miserably in the Libertadores Cup. Nevertheless, Passarella’s first experience as coach culminated in success when the Argentine FA designated him as the new national team coach in mid 1994.

Having returned to coach River in early 2005, Passarella has yet to win a league title but, after three super-clásicos, he can now boast an undefeated record against Boca. He has also been responsible for the consolidation in River’s first team of a youth player who after just one year proved talented enough to be purchased by Real Madrid: “Pipita” Higuaín. Where he has clearly not succeeded up to the moment, is in re-establishing cordial relations with the River barras bravas, who call themselves “los borrachos del tablón” “the drunkards of the terraces”. They have not yet forgiven him for having frequently confronted them during his first sojourn as River Coach. It was these hard-core fans who were mainly responsible for instigating that mean anti-Passarella chant during the Belgrano game.

Yesterday’s 1-1 draw at la Bombonera stadium will not necessarily signify “redemption” for Passarella with most River fans. But given his team’s disastrous first half performance, which only ended 0-1 thanks to the tremendous saves of River’s young goalie Juan Pablo Carrizo, he can feel a certain degree of satisfaction with the team’s second half recovery that gave way to Mauro Rosales’s equalizer. Passarella also proved a point in terms of his loyalty for the River Plate colors when before the kick-off he defiantly opened a red and white umbrella, as he approached the visitor’s dugout, to protect himself from the spitting reception given to him by the Boca fans.

121 comments:

paulita said...

I swear I did not spit!

greengrass said...

pipita,
an interesting tale; I've never heard of Paul Scholes getting flak like that, not even when his beloved Oldham Athletic were in the same league as the Red Devils.

paulita,
I bet you would have done if he hadn't had an umbrella!

gg

mimi said...

sorry - I don't have a contribution of any value here, but I've just been slapped by GU - threatened with a ban!!
Bastards.

paulita said...

no greengrass, I would never have spit.

not even if I had been on that side of the stadium.

guitougoal said...

Pipita, I had a kick out the red and white umbrella yesterday. It was a great game-at first I saw a railway express train in Blue and yellow with the white shirts running away.
Second-half they didn't back up and the game was exciting.

offside/orsay said...

paulita, pipita,

Maravilloso!

I didn't see it (French TV wouldn't even show highlights, I think they're still pissed off about Higuain) but your efforts seem to mirror the game perfectly. More fluidity and eye-catching moves from paulita but a solid, dogged defense from pipita. So, in the end, a well earned draw for the pleasure of the Pseuds' Corner readership.

!Muchas gracias!

guitougoal said...

offside,
can't post on Doyles, my comments about the fantasyland scoring improvement are not posted.
Am I banned for being perfect?

offside said...

guitou,

maybe, like Christiano Ronaldo, you are too good. Attention au melon.

pipita said...

Paulita
Im well aware you dont sit with all those who spit at opposing managers in the most expensive seats at the bombonera...
Greengrass
Yeah not even Denis Law, after scoring with his back heel against manu and sending them down to the second div, got such flak either. Well, you know this is River-Boca after all.
Guitou
Glad you enjoyed it. It was actually a good match, in spite of the fact that I never bother about this objective type of analysis when River are playing, especially against Boca
Orsay
Very accurate account of my "clash" with Paulita, very fair, you put it beautifully. Chapeau

greengrass said...

paulita,
I never thought you would.
Just joking - no offence meant.
Apologies.

gg

paulita said...

gg

no offence taken.


pipita
I think on sunday you missed the real pipita?

pipita said...

Paulita

You bet we miss the real pipita, but not just last sunday, the whole bloody year we've been desperately missing him....Going back to the spitting subject, I think the argentine football crowd represent all that is wonderful and revolting in football culture. You have the amazing colorful scenario with the flags, banners, constant singing and chanting both on the terraces and the seats, on one hand, and then the spitting at the managers and players and fans insulting and throwing objects to former glorys of their own team like the cases of passarella and burruchaga at River and Independiente very sadly reflect

paulita said...

pipita

I agree.
people seem so nervous these days. and those are not barra bravas (or maybe they are a different kind of barra bravas).
on sunday some people were irritated by the bad aim of palermo and palacio and the poor afternoon of cardozo. all footballers who won so many things, not 20 years but a couple of months ago.
I tend to think that those voices are representative of all fans (nor River nor Boca nor Indepte) but that's the way it comes out.

paulita said...

I meant 'they are not representative'

pipita said...

Paulita

Exactly. Actually the barra bravas can be very supportive "en las malas", we all know that basically they turn against those that dont want to sign "pacts" with them, i.e. pay their travelling expenses, which is off course sinister stuff. But your right that its the "middle-class" spectator who is becoming more and more irritated and bad tempered. You see these well dressed blokes who cant stop shouting abuse at their own coaches and players throughout the whole game. Really gets on my nerves. As you say, its happening at all clubs nowadays

duncan said...

Just realised I posted on paulita's thread but not here. Oops. Don't want to be seen to favor one over the other or to be guilty of 'robbing paulita to pay pipita' or vice versa.
Ouch. That was a bad one. Where's my umbrella?
Great story, thank you.

offside said...

duncan,

I was very nervous about that too, I copied and pasted my post on both threads, just to be sure...

pipita said...

Duncan, offy

Thanks lads, as you well guessed, Im a very sensitive person, so I much appreciate your concern. Going completely off topic on my own thread here, I remember I chatted with Duncan no too long ago on a GU thread about Roxy Music. Ive just read that Bryan Ferry had to apologise to the Jewish ommunity in Britain for having made some positive remarks regarding Nazi artistic and visual aesthetics in an interview in some German newspaper.......

BlueinBetis said...

Pipita,

It's interesting that you say you've been missing the real Pipita, since he seems to have been doing some of that at Real Madrid. Missing I mean. There must be a curse or something upon that place. One great player after another just gets nowhere...

He's shown he has quality, but just doesn't feel at home there, you can tell it in his body language. Don't know if it's just a passing phase or if he should bail out now and go somewhere without so much pressure.

What do you think?

Lovely stuff by the way. Haven't yet decided how to use this, but I will. Thanks very much!

pipita said...

Blueinbetis

Cheers. I actually think Pipita can succeed at Real. I didnt expect him to do well immediately. From the few times Ive seen him play at Real, you may have a point that he looks a bit lost at times, but Ive seen quite a few clips of him getting involved and coming close to scoring several times as well as assisting Ruud and Raul on several ocasions. He's only scored once, against atletico, but I think its a question of him getting a couple more in order to regain his goalscoring confidence

guitougoal said...

Pipita same question in order to keep the score even: about Pablo Angel on his way to New York?

bluedaddy said...

Hi pipita.
I enjoyed this. A nice balance with paulita's piece. Salt and pepper.
The comments re the crowds are interesting too. There is much talk of passion being lost in areas of European football. Passion does not seem in short supply, especially for a classico, but some perspective may be lacking in some fans.

Football has always served as an outlet for pent up emotion in its fans. On the plus side you see people singing, hugging, crying, screaming with joy - all things to make us feel glad to be alive. On the down side, people find a reason to fight, or throw objects or spit etc. While I havent got too much of a problem with people hurling abuse - 'sticks and stones may break my bones etc' and a player can respond with his boots on the pitch- physical abuse should be prevented.

However celery is a grey area!

BlueinBetis said...

"Tomatoes can't hurt me!"
He said with a grin,
But these buggers did -
Cos they were wrapped in a tin.


I still think we should change the song to "Sara Lee" and throw double chocolate gateau, celery is sooo cheap schweetie.

the masked cucumber said...

Death to the celerea

hehehe

marcela said...

sorry to have missed this yesterday - both accounts are great. and both main characters - riquelme and passarella - worthy of volumes.
how serendipidous that the game should end in a draw!
i once tried to pitch a book about why the draw should be a valid result in football... never got very far, needless to say.
but these two reports published jointly are a wonderful, even, balanced snippet of the superclasico.
paulita muy boooooca; pipita muy riiiiver!
lovely.

You may notice I took a leaf from OIT and posted the same comment on both threads!!

pipita said...

Guitou
Angelito, as we affectionally called him here, has the perfect physique du rol for the North American league. It will suit his laid back attitude and delicate touches, I suppose he will have enough space and will not encounter as much physical contact as in England. Also he has the right age for this experience. Good luck to him
Bluedad
At the end of the day, Id also rather have the spitting, insulting and general intolerance before the all-seater crap atmosphere one encounters in most European stadiums nowadays. But its the lack of memory and gratitude of many fans with players and former legends that really irritates me. by the way, this will sound cliquey, but great interventions from you, offy,motm, kokomo and some others Im forgetting right now on the D.James homosexual thread
Marcela
You think my account of the super-clasico was too gallina??? It aimed at being passareliano more than anything else, but I suppose I will never be subtle enough to disguise the red band in my soul

paulita said...

pipita

leaving aside your admiration for daniel, 'his' river hasn't played well. not in 2005 and not this year, despite all the money that river has invested in new players. it doesn't look like river at all. and his words certainly don't help, blaming luck, referees, irregularities...

pipita said...

Paulita

Not that much of a caballero anymore...Now Im in front again, hehehehe. Just couldnt resist answering your latest comment on Daniel. True, this season River have lost the plot completely and passarella has made some rather foolish remarks. I must confess I think pelado diaz is a better coach, but just cannot tolerate the abuse river fans are giving him at the moment. Forgot to mention how much I agree with your comment on half-times in argentine football matches. They are agonyzingly long. I used to think it had to do with T y C arrangements until I heard their commentators complain about this irritating trend as well

paulita said...

I guess we are going to move from one thread to the other.

I didn't mean to justify the abuse at all! I'm just saying that I understand the disappointment of river fans. and, being on the other side, I would find passarella a lot less annoying if he didn't talk.

ps: poor crespo is missing the end of the seasson.

pipita said...

Paulita

Indeed, jumping from one thread to the other. Yeah, poor old crespito, but its not as if he is going to be missing vital matches in the Serie a......Going back to a topic of your article, -apologies for not stating it there but me da fiaca" to go back to yours, its not cheating- do you really think "el mellizo" is a bigger idol than roman or palermo. I think he's become a bit of a bostero myth to be honest

duncan said...

pipita -
my memory's awful, thanks for the roxy reminder. I hate it that Ferry's remarks were taken beyond their context. He seemed to be discussing the visual appeal of the Nazi imagery. Even though it doesn't do much for me, I can seperate it's visual context from their actions and ideology. Then again, I'm not Jewish so don't have the same level of emotional involvement.

Do you remember when Damien Hirst had to apologise for saying that in some ways the WTC plane attacks were a work of art? In a strictly visual sense he may have been on to something. I suppose most of the world was thinking 'Who Cares if it was visually appealing? Thousands of people have died as a result of a shockingly violent attack.'

Brian Eno came up today actually. His name, I mean. My wife was looking for some music to do yoga with, as her teacher has quit and the class are going to do it themselves. She needed music so in the acting of looking I picked up a pile of CD's and 'cut' them about halfway up. First disc I saw: Eno's 'Music For Airports'.

paulita said...

I agree ex neighbour.
the display of affection towards guille is really impressive.
I think it started quite randomly, people chanting for him, saluting him on the bench, and then it sort of mounted up. but there are many aspects of guillermo that have helped build that myth: never leaving boca and that time being the most succesful in the history of the club, his 'picardia', his timely appearances in clasicos. palermo spent some time abroad and in all honesty I wish he wouldn't constantly remark that he supports estudiantes (guillermo has been somehow quiter about gimnasia). and riquelme has been away too long (hopefully not anymore :))
you won't believe this but I think that what has helped him the most is the fact that he isn't playing. he is not the explosive player that he used to be but we (luckily) don't get to see his slow decline.

pipita said...

Duncan

From what I read about Ferry's comments, I absolutely agree with you and it doesent even seem he was taken out of context, I think what he was trying to point out was very clear. Even being jewish from my mother's side myself, I can assure you that I felt no offense. That Eno record sounds most appropriate for yoga!!!!My wife, although no jazz fan, preferred charlie parker when she was into yoga. She abandoned that a couple of years back

paulita said...

pipita

no need to do that! we may continue here.

think that guille could have ended in river. ramon diaz really wanted him (still wants him) but he preferred 'el club de la ribera'. beto marcico apparently interceded.
we'll never know if he was only a 'jugador de consumo local'. if you ask me I have a lot more respect for someone who doesn't go to the russian league or a 2nd division team in italy but stays in boca or river and even san lorenzo or independiente.

pipita said...

Paulita

To be honest, I would never have accepted Guillermo at River. Ill never forget the anger I felt towards him and his much less talented twin brother when they tried to tease and bully Enzo Francescoli in a River-Gimnasia quite a few years before he signed for Boca. From that moment I considered him a sneaky little bastard, sorry Im being so frank with my feelings here, in spite of the undoubted fact that he is a very good player. Having said this, all credit to him for having stayed in Argetnina for so long. I also dislike those who go to the russian league-although quite a few good players have actually gone to that "non-existent" league-or to second division spanish and italian outfits just for the morlacos

marcela said...

guillermo's twin may well be less talented but he's certainly friendlier. :)

music for yoga, can real destruction be artistically interesting, house moves away from palermo, and the inundation of buenos aires... it must be a passarella thread!

pipita said...

Lets not get too apocaliptic about Passarella, Marcela

marcela said...

i didn't mean to be apocaliptic. i just thought he is big enough to give lieu to a wide range... of topics :)

el kaiser. they don't call him that for nothing.

paulita said...

pipita

con la cara de bueno q tiene el enzo... have you heard the rumours about him running for river's presidence?

marcela

the kaiser has been and gone. don't you know there's a new passarella?

pipita said...

Marcela, Paulita

Yeah, the new Passarella who goes to the shrink, doesnt wear a tie during matches and is not bothered about long hair anymore......yap, yap, yap. I always took it that they called him "el Kaiser" because of his playing rsemblance to Beckenbauer, both goalscoring defenders and captain's of world cup winning teams. The authoritarian aura around him is another argentine football myth

orsay said...

Beto Marcico, now that's a blast from the past. If you see him, tell him that his old love Toulouse are currently sitting in 2nd place in Ligue 1 and possibly heading for Champions League football next year. Incredible. And yet, in the dim and distant past, they did eliminate Diego's Napoli from the UEFA cup once.

And speaking of famous players from Toulouse, Fabien Barthez is playing against his old club Marseille at the Velodrome, in the semi final of the Coupe de France, starting RIGHT NOW.

See you later.

PS: "dos gardenias para ti..."

marcela said...

el beto marcico. gran valor...

i have to say i rather like DAP - he's so softly spoken. amazing such a gentle voice could come from such a prime hijo de puta. even his friends say so.

"...ponles toda tu atencion... a tu lado viviran..."

guitougoal said...

pipita,
your friend Cavenaghi scored today for Bordeaux against Nancy- 3-1 Bordeaux.
Barthez is still a virgin.

guitougoal said...

sorry it is 3-o Bordeaux and Barthez is virgin no more thanks to Ribery the future gooner.

pipita said...

Marcel
Possibly thats true, but most players who played under him speak really highly of Daniel
Offy
Yeah Beto Marcico played for that Tolouse outfit that also included Tarantini, Stopyra and Rocheteau?? if Im not wrong here.
Guitou
Thanks for the Cavenaghi info. Also sorely missed at River at the moment

marcela said...

pipita that's my point. people who love him say he's an hijo de puta, lovingly. and i mean it when i say i find him likeable. because of his voice.

guitou, barthez no longer a virgin? whatever next?

MotM said...

Just lost a long comment!

Edited form.

Loved the piece.

Liverpool players who grew up Blue: Rush; Fowler, Owen; McManaman and lots of others. NEVER a problem.

Passarella - great player, fantastic look.

Re Bryan Ferry: Leni Riefenstahl's Olympia - greatest marriage of sport and art, or hideous propaganda or both?

pipita said...

Mouthy

What a shame......Cheers all the same. We could have had at least ONE of those Liverpool players you mention at Everton dont you think. Its not fair. Suppose the closest Everton got to Passarella was Mike Lyons I suppose

guitougoal said...

who is allwell? I like his or her piece very much-

offside said...

pipita,

Tarantini in Toulouse? I can't remember him there. Mind you, my memories of that time are a little sketchy as I was in high school and there were numerous distractions. I wasn't concentrating on my football properly. I do remember Toulouse knocking out Napoli in UEFA after a penalty shoot-out in which Diego missed. His penalty hit the post, rebounded on the keeper's knee and went out. The Toulouse keeper never knew what hit him.

It's all over in Marseille. 3-0 in spite of Fabien Barthez's best efforts. Nantes only made a game of it in the first half of the first half. Afterwards, it became clear why they are bottom of the table. Two moments of brilliance from Ribery and Nasri for the first two goals, Djibril Cissé came on late and wrapped it up with his first touch. Nantes' Argentine defender Mauro Cetto played well enough but won't get to visit le Stade de France for the final. Sochaux - Marseille instead on May 12th. Allez l'OM.

pipita said...

Offy

By the looks of it your high school fest lasted at least four years......Check this out monsieur

Alberto Tarantini
Personal information
Full name Alberto Cesár Tarantini
Date of birth December 3, 1955
Place of birth Ezeiza, Argentina
Nickname Conejo
Playing position Left-back
Senior clubs1
Years Club App (Gls)*
1973-1977 Boca Juniors
1978-1979 Birmingham City
1979 Talleres de Cordoba
1980-1983 River Plate
1983-1984 SC Bastia
1984-1988 Tolouse
1988-1989 FC St. Gallen

pipita said...

By the way, anyone seen Messi's maradoniano goal today in the copa del rey??????Check it our, worth watching

offside said...

!Si que si! Just saw Messi's goal, wow, that was something else. Especially liked the quick footwork at the start of the move. Breathtaking.

pipita,

yes, the dates would explain a lot. At the risk of revealing everything, they include my last year of high-school (I'll spare you the details), then a year in the US (football drought) and a year in Scotland during which I followed the English and Scottish leagues. No Internet in those days and too poor to even buy the French papers that were an exotic and expensive item in Edinburgh. Did Toulouse manage to stay up for 4 seasons in a row at the time? They were known as yo-yo specialists back then...

pipita said...

Blimey offy, you make me sweat. Thank god for wikipedia...So you call them yo-yo teams, we call them "ascensor":lifts. The chant they receive from opposing fans is "suben y bajan, suben y bajan, parecen asensor". Tolouse 1982-84 record coming up:

The team quickly improved and earned promotion to Division 1 in 1982, followed by qualification for participation in the UEFA Cup in 1984. Their best result to date came in the 1986-87 season with a third place finish and another turn in the UEFA Cup competition.
A decline followed that saw the club relegated to play in D2 by 1994.

offside said...

pipita,

what? You're wikipedying all this? Not fair. I'm working from memory here.

Well, ok, I do use the Internet every once in a while. If you can read French and are interested in Toulouse* for reasons other than Carlos Gardel, this is really funny:

http://www.cahiersdufootball.net/article.php?id=2418&PHPSESSID=8e39140f4679702a196280173de02a4e

(*pronounced to lose, that says it all)

pipita said...

Offy

Yeah, off course I went to wikipedia, Im not even French....what do you think????that I can memorize "conejo" Tarantini's whole football career!!?? Im afraid my reading comprehension in French leaves a lot to be desired. I got the main idea of those ironies on Tolouse. Just tranlate me this bit si'l vous plai

M comme Marcico
El pizzaiolo reste le seul grand joueur de l’histoire du Tef’. Un crochet, une feinte, un tir, un but puis bis repetita au match d’après. Le moule du bon joueur s’est cassé depuis le passage de Beto.

offside said...

Here's the translation (I'll send you my rates by email)

El pizzaiolo remains the only great player in the history of TFC. Dribble, dummy, shot, goal and then the same again in the following match. The mould was broken* after Beto left Toulouse.

*French colloquialism for "they don't make them like that anymore."

Why was he called "El pizzaiolo", the pizza maker?

guitougoal said...

Pipita
as offside's supervisor I reviewed and approved his
work, consider now, this translation valid.
Did el conejowasa surname due to his sexual performances?

easter bunny said...

Or was it because of his ears?

MotM said...

Pipita,

The lost Everton players are a permanent regret.

Mick Lyons? I remember a bloke behind me bitterly complaining about Mick's performance in one match. Nothing new in that. What was new was that Mick was injured and sitting in the stands. Habit I suppose.

marcela said...

is it true this place is still serving rabbit stew at this late hour?

mimi said...

hope it's rabbit. I'm still moved to tears if anyone mentions the tapir.

marcela said...

i know what you mean... i still can't believe it was eaten.
you know, mimi, this may be a borrowed topic from paulita's thread, but passarella's man ramon diaz managed oxford united for a while...
six degrees indeed!
i'm going to grab a drink and be right back. can i get you something?

mimi said...

Marcela: I'll have a Hendricks - it's the best gin ever. How fortunate that you have a bottle there. Don't forget the slice of cucumber.

marcela said...

there you go, love...
:)

mimi said...

and back in the day, i used to go and watch Oxford United. It really is that six degrees ....

guitougoal said...

mind of my company ladies? I bring the cheeeese.

mimi said...

Nice of you to join us guitou. Are you buying?
Have just sent out a shout to the chaps so there may be a few more in soon. Is your wallet ready, or just get a couple in for me and Marcela before the crowd?

marcela said...

there's always room for one more, guy. but no cheese for me, thanks.
do you know where the expression six degrees comes from?

guitougoal said...

I understand one of you need liquor and company to help her get the job done.This remind me of the story of Millay, first woman who won the pulitzer price...to be continued on the next post

mimi said...

As far as I know it's an American thing. I'd rather be thinking of the, admittedly far more emotional way of putting it: something's gotten into my heart, making me smile and making me frown.

guitougoal said...

marcela,
the six degrees of separation about being so close to each other comes from a novel of the 20's but I don't remember te author's name

guitougoal said...

mimi, it's european for sure.

talishka said...

i've got a new sport, sliding down the stairs with a dog underneath you! Don't think it will catch on though, dangerous for dog and owner and really painful when you land at the bottom!

mimi said...

Mouth referenced Joseph K. does he mean Kafka?

guitougoal said...

millay's part 2:late one night after writing and drinking bootleg gin with two other male writters drunken Millay asked the two men to hold her in their arms....to be continued.

marcela said...

i read it was a sociological experiment, conducted in boston. i'm going tolook up a bit more about and post later, when guitou tells of the woman pulitzer prize winner...

mimi said...

Wasn't there an American journalist, Gloria something,who won a Pulitzer for journalism on Vietnam? I think i have her book somewhere on my shelves.

guitougoal said...

Milly part 3, She instructed the first one to take her lower half and the second onethe upper. And this resulted in a menage a trois. (now I understand we are 4 it's makes my story irrelevant, but the story does support Millay's famous declaration:
'My candle burns at both end"
which sentence is appropriaate for offside favorite moderator.

guitougoal said...

The first women pullitzer:Edna St Vincent Millay was probably american because she wrote for Vanity Fair.

mimi said...

guitou: I think offside is still suffering. Can't come to terms with the defeat of his shark army by the small, but unfeasibly fierce, scottish kittens. It's been a bit of a blood bath really, but I've got a new pair of thigh-high sharkskin boots!

marcela said...

She sang as she worked,
And the harp strings spoke;

i believe that's her ouvre, non?

talishka said...

I think you will find that Zona Gale won the pulitzer 2 years before millay.

guitougoal said...

Did you know mimi, the guy is a 100 feet under water
diver? tat's where heprobably recruits his army.

mimi said...

I always thought it was Millais but I must be thinking of a painter

guitougoal said...

she was probably the first feminist activist but that was too long ago the pullitzer

guitougoal said...

missed the end of sentence:
the pulitzer start in 1917, I just checked wikpedia.

mimi said...

guitou: surely the first real feminist activist was that woman who threw herself under the king' horse. And died. And I don't remember her name which is awful. But actually I do remember the first feminist revolt: The Rebecca Riots.

talishka said...

Gale won it in 1921.
Millay 1923

guitougoal said...

offside, I thought gale was from the end of 1800's period....

mimi said...

offside: is he in tonight?

guitougoal said...

You are right she won for miss lulu....I was 100 feet under myself.
I drank at every wine
The last was like the first.
I came upon no wine
so wonderful as thirst.."millay"

talishka said...

Gale wrote the novel in 1920, it was made into a play and she won the pulitzer for drama in 1921.

mimi said...

Just found Mouth and Zeph on another thread. Have guided them here.

talishka said...

guitou apologize for being wrong.

talishka said...

hey mimi have you found offside or was guitou talking to himself?

mimi said...

no idea, talishka. have invited him to join us, but you know, he's probably tied up somewhere!

mimi said...

I've about an hour before I have to go to bed - working at 11 am tomorrow, so who's getting the drinks in? Mine's another Hendricks

guitougoal said...

offside-I was tempted to comment and te Cantat story, because I know Nadine and one of my good friend Annie Fargues (she is Polnaref'smanager) was caught in the middle of this drama,

guitougoal said...

mimi what about a "Between the sheets" it's the perfect nightcap.

talishka said...

i think its my round mimi. do you want cucumber in yours?

talishka said...

guitou why do you keep calling me offside?

talishka said...

I prefer a "slow comfortable screw" personally.

pipita said...

Beautiful People

If I may re-enter my thread after a very traumatic "mudanza" to a new flat, and with no internet at my new home for the moment, I just wnat to state that Tarantini was called "conejo" because of his rabbit teeth, though many people thought like Guitpou that it was because of his sexual exploits particularly when he married 70's beauty "pata" Villanueva...thanks and good night, hope to get hold of internet somewhere...

mimi said...

guitou: that sounds a bit suggestive to me.I'll just be dull and boring and take the cucumber in my Hendricks, thanks, Talishka.
Where is that Frenchman?

guitougoal said...

talishka: what abou mixing both a "comfortable screw" "between the sheet" no need to misinterprete please.

talishka said...

enjoy mimi.......anyone else want a drink? Apart from guitou who is already imagining people who are not really there!

guitougoal said...

pipita.
glad to hear your moving experience is over and el conejo loving experience is for ever.

mimi said...

Look- all I do is have my drinks here - don't you walk away , and the world comes tumbling down. We are under April Skies.

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mimi said...

how about this not getting out of hand because it's not funny any more?

talishka said...

hey mimi i still have that sloe gin but need you to help drink it.

guitougoal said...

Can we delete all of the above before the anti-porno brigade shows up?

mimi said...

I'm just going to choose a gentle soundtrack and wander off to my bed.

bluedaddy said...

guitou, marcela
the 'six degrees' thing stems from a story by an Hungarian writer called Karinthy. Cant remember the story or book but can remember that Karinthy translated Winnie the Pooh.

The things you pick up being a bookseller.

talishka said...

bluedaddy i think it came from his short story "Lancsczemek" I could be wrong though.

guitougoal said...

Blue daddy...Thanks for the name, but I think I suppose Marcela wants to use the six degrees of separation as a theme in reference to the connectiveness of the new world due to the internet.I believe that Karinsky's novel was the story of people being connected through virtual communication-It was fiction then ...some visionary guy!

marcela said...

aahh. i got carried away doing something else and missed the deleted comments. oh well... perhaps for the best.
the six degrees: i read it was an experiment whereby two groups of people, one in alaska and one in boston, were asked to get a letter to the ceo of a company in boston. they had to achieve this by finding someone who would know someone who would know... and so on. the expectation had been that it would take an average of a hundred, or at least fifty, but it turned out both groups had a similar average which was much lower, more like six. hence the expression six degrees of separation. it became famous when the play was written, which then was also a very good film.
i must look it up though, because this is all vague and possibly inaccurate.

i mentioned it because mimi and myself were talking about six degrees before.

if there is a coffee round i'm still here!

why does guitou keep addressing talishka as offside?

guitougoal said...

that's another degree of separation since talishka she is not talihska.

gretchen said...

So, mein herr gaytoo, are you in fact Talishchka?

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