tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post8558597500683011961..comments2023-10-30T08:56:36.302+00:00Comments on Pseuds' corner and home of the frustrated hack: Dear Paolo - slimjim68Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-33406491806765778732007-03-07T11:54:00.000+00:002007-03-07T11:54:00.000+00:00Nice one slim, congrats. Ive got to admit that as ...Nice one slim, congrats. Ive got to admit that as much as I appreciated the talents of that 82 brazil team, I wildly celebrated paolo's three goals at the time. Argie rivalry with the brazilians is too strong. But lets be fair with that italian team, they were capable of playing decent football with the likes of Antognoni, Conti, Paolo, Tardelli. Ive seen far worse WC winners.<BR/><BR/>Miro<BR/><pipitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14881886605470096554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-78059726025311841672007-03-06T22:39:00.000+00:002007-03-06T22:39:00.000+00:00offsideintahiti said...And no, I am not biased, of...offsideintahiti said...<BR/><BR/>And no, I am not biased, of course not, don't be ridiculous now.offsideintahitihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13429832647076219845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-4136059058131112882007-03-06T22:37:00.000+00:002007-03-06T22:37:00.000+00:00offsideintahiti said...That back five never lost a...offsideintahiti said...<BR/><BR/>That back five never lost a game. Simple as that. Whenever they were in the starting lineup together. Over 30 international games, undefeated.<BR/><BR/>And they all could play a bit too, including Barthez.offsideintahitihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13429832647076219845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-60162612797660634572007-03-06T19:16:00.000+00:002007-03-06T19:16:00.000+00:00andrewm - One of the pleasures of watching footbal...andrewm - One of the pleasures of watching football is to appreciate the drones alongside the greats. I loved the work of Paul Bracewell and, especially Derek Mountfield, in Everton's Championship teams. <BR/><BR/>I feel the best teams usually win the World Cup as football is (obviously) about more than goals and scintillating attacking. That's why Italy were the best team in 2006 definitely not Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-18692852919881090612007-03-06T18:48:00.000+00:002007-03-06T18:48:00.000+00:00Ebren, "In 1998, France put nine players behind th...Ebren, <BR/><BR/>"In 1998, France put nine players behind the ball", that's a wild exaggeration as both Zidane and Djorkaeff were allowed to sometimes roam forward in support of the mighty Stéphane "Goal Machine" Guivarc'h. So there were really only 8 players behind the ball at any one time.<BR/><BR/>Seriously now, have you seen a better back five than Barthez - Lizarazu - Blanc, Desailly - offsideintahitihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13429832647076219845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-57351459860732169052007-03-06T18:40:00.000+00:002007-03-06T18:40:00.000+00:00slim, I do enjoy a good piece of skill - and have ...slim, I do enjoy a good piece of skill - and have you seen the goal I posted the link to on the French football thread? Astonishing! - but I prefer a classy, economical player like Alonso to the likes of Ronaldinho.<BR/><BR/>John Barnes was my first hero, but as I get older I appreciate more the Carraghers of this world. I also respect hard work and tactical organisation far more than skill.Frankie Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16726994229958279318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-7983037255718329132007-03-06T15:35:00.000+00:002007-03-06T15:35:00.000+00:00andrewm, I want you to watch Doc Soc's goal agains...andrewm, I want you to watch Doc Soc's goal against Italy and tell me it doesn't move you.slimjim68https://www.blogger.com/profile/07261653171226371895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-69541366181030252522007-03-06T13:48:00.000+00:002007-03-06T13:48:00.000+00:00slimjim, I find beauty in resilient defensive disp...slimjim, I find beauty in resilient defensive displays, heroic sliding interceptions, incredible saves.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I'm perverse :o)Frankie Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16726994229958279318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-46523601939060761262007-03-06T12:36:00.000+00:002007-03-06T12:36:00.000+00:00Sorry Bluedaddy, it's just that 78 is ingrained in...Sorry Bluedaddy, it's just that 78 is ingrained in my psyche. I can still see my old man drinking nearly a whole bottle of whisky during the Iran game. That's what Ally did to people.slimjim68https://www.blogger.com/profile/07261653171226371895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-54130250663443055242007-03-06T12:03:00.000+00:002007-03-06T12:03:00.000+00:00andrewm, I'd rather watch Ronaldinho and Messi str...andrewm, I'd rather watch Ronaldinho and Messi strut their stuff than Charlie Caroli. Come on, you cannot be serious? It can't all be about winning. There's got be some art, some beauty, for want of a better word, as well.slimjim68https://www.blogger.com/profile/07261653171226371895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-84133506126171112492007-03-06T11:41:00.000+00:002007-03-06T11:41:00.000+00:00slimjim, I don't agree the sport will die and I do...slimjim, I don't agree the sport will die and I don't agree we're football fans before we're fans of our clubs (well, I can only speak for myself and my friends and family).<BR/><BR/>I was a Liverpool fan before I really knew what football was. They could play the most cynical, ugly football on the planet and I would still love them and watch them every time. I think the same is true of most fansFrankie Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16726994229958279318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-24279619032651004382007-03-06T10:31:00.000+00:002007-03-06T10:31:00.000+00:00Dont bring up 78 Slim. It still smarts. On reflect...Dont bring up 78 Slim. It still smarts. On reflection I sometimes wish we (with both parents Scots, I feel as Scottish as I do English) had played shit against Holland. All it did was rub our noses in it over the two preceding games. I was a kid, for chrissakes - what was Ally McLeod doing being manager? Lord make it stop!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-17528909738097564592007-03-06T10:22:00.000+00:002007-03-06T10:22:00.000+00:00andrewm, there's a row going on down at Anfield to...andrewm, there's a row going on down at Anfield tonight. My money's on the aesthetes.<BR/>Mouth, amazing how well that Brazil side played with Serginho up front. It was like having ten men.<BR/>Miro, good list but I think Italy were the best side in 1990. Agree with Ebren, the Dutch were the best in 1978. So where does that leave Ally MacLeod and co then?slimjim68https://www.blogger.com/profile/07261653171226371895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-32091896406479246672007-03-06T08:03:00.000+00:002007-03-06T08:03:00.000+00:00Got to take issue with you there Miro.Best side in...Got to take issue with you there Miro.<BR/><BR/>Best side in 2002 was Turkey (out played Brazil twice, lost thanks to acring and dodgy refereeing twice).<BR/><BR/>Best side in 78 was Holland (although Brazil are in with a shout).<BR/><BR/>In 1998, France put nine players behind the ball, and their best player was as much Petit or Blanc as Zidane. Any of Holland, Argentina, Brazil, Italy, or even Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01325287456027791612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-74260852486518907622007-03-06T04:55:00.000+00:002007-03-06T04:55:00.000+00:00Dear slimjim, your Dear Paolo hit a point!The WCs ...Dear slimjim, your Dear Paolo hit a point!<BR/><BR/>The WCs 1950-2006. Who were the winners and who were the best?<BR/><BR/>1950: W-Uruguay; B-Brazil<BR/>1954: W-W.Germany; B-Hungary<BR/>1958: W-Brazil; B-Brazil<BR/>1962: W-Brazil; B-Brazil<BR/>1966: W-England; B-Argentina<BR/>1970: W-Brazil; B-Brazil<BR/>1974: W-W.Germany; B-Holland<BR/>1978: W-Argentina; B-Brazil<BR/>1982: W-Italy; B-Brazil<BR/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-81183842934776086492007-03-06T00:30:00.000+00:002007-03-06T00:30:00.000+00:00France - Brazil in 82 was the best World Cup final...France - Brazil in 82 was the best World Cup final ever (France won 5-4 after extra-time and I scored a hat-trick).offsideintahitihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13429832647076219845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-62885683770810373702007-03-06T00:18:00.000+00:002007-03-06T00:18:00.000+00:00First of all, thanks for letting me join in Ebren....First of all, thanks for letting me join in Ebren. There's some really good stuff on here - let's hope people keep contributing even when Big Blogger comes to an end.<BR/>Right, here goes. I think football as a form of entertainment is on a pretty slippery slope right now. Granted the Premiership offers pretty good value - yesterday's West Ham-Spurs game being a case in point. The standard of theslimjim68https://www.blogger.com/profile/07261653171226371895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-32843081446813791932007-03-06T00:01:00.000+00:002007-03-06T00:01:00.000+00:00yes slim has a point about Brazil waste of talents...yes slim has a point about Brazil waste of talents.<BR/>Motm, Italy won last world cup trophy for beating France 1-1 after 120mn and being outplayed 90mn.<BR/>so much for deserving a trophy. However with Francesco Totti healthy (he was just back from a bad injury) there was no other team capable to beat Italy in 2006.Except a Brazilian team coached by Scolari.guitougoalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08736827021578008533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-85837030852812118792007-03-05T23:36:00.000+00:002007-03-05T23:36:00.000+00:00I think slim has a point.Football is cyclial. Atta...I think slim has a point.<BR/><BR/>Football is cyclial. Attack vs defence. After '82 defence was on top.<BR/><BR/>Brazil in 94 and 2002 were pragmatic. They both had poachers up front (Romario and Ronaldo) and muscle in the midfeild (Dunga and Gilberto).<BR/><BR/>It didn't used to be that way, the Garrincha, Pele, Tostao, Didi teams were spectacular. Like Hungary 50s and even England pre-66.<BR/>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01325287456027791612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-91916944799118001212007-03-05T23:34:00.000+00:002007-03-05T23:34:00.000+00:00Winning matters and I would rather see Everton win...Winning matters and I would rather see Everton win boringly than lose er... winningly, but, oh Socrates, Eder, Junior, Falcao, Zico! Any lover of the game swoons over the memory. No Nike, no mystery illnesses, no "system", just men and a ball and a goal to be scored.<BR/><BR/>Platini's France were nearly as good and so were Cruyff's Holland, but the '82 Brazilians were footballing Gods.<BR/><BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3912136666601692339.post-54334256610975382302007-03-05T23:21:00.000+00:002007-03-05T23:21:00.000+00:00No.No, no, no, no, no.Don't take it personally, sl...No.<BR/><BR/>No, no, no, no, no.<BR/><BR/>Don't take it personally, slimjim, but I hate the attitude that football is "the beautiful game".<BR/><BR/>Brazil lost<BR/><BR/>Cruyff lost.<BR/><BR/>If you'd rather play "beautiful football" and lose than play disciplined, organised football and win then be my guest.<BR/><BR/>Greece 2004 were better than Brazil '82. Discuss.Frankie Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16726994229958279318noreply@blogger.com